Few-lobed hybrid oak leaves (11/15/08)
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- Comparison of Q. turbinella (left), the hybrid Q. x. pauciloba (middle) and Q. gambelii (right)
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About the leaves above: the Q. turbinella leaves had previously been properly obtained from the somewhat nearby Cottam's Oak Grove by a biology professor for a recent biology class and had been discarded. The leaf tips
were spinescent, and the leaves tough and stiff. (Q. turbinella is not known to naturally occur in this area). The hybrid leaves were taken from a branch that was already separated from
the hybrid tree clump/clone on 11/15/08. In addition to shape/size, they have a relatively rough texture compared to Gambel's oak due to pubescence. The lobe tips are not spinescent. The Gambel's oak leaves were taken from the Olympus Hills Park
area on 9/27/08 and not from the Dry Creek area. The upper/right leaves were from a representative tree/shrub where the leaves were turning yellow/brown as is commonly the case, but from
an immediately adjoining tree/shrub with the same aspect/elevation/exposure/slope/size, the leaves on that adjacent oak (lower/right) were turning red and were smaller and had a somewhat less smooth/shiny surface texture. Gambel oak
leaves are incredibly variable and can be much larger than these, and deeply lobed/shaped in numerous other ways. Note also that these are
leaves from upper branches yet oaks in general (and not unlike many other plant species) typically have differently shaped lower leaves that can also be much larger.
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- Late October/November is the time to look for these distinctive hybrids. After roughly December 1, they too will have lost their leaves.
The Gambel oaks will generally be bare, growing around the fading but darker green-leafed hybrids.
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- The Dry Creek plant clump above (maybe 20 feet by 10 feet in overall area) was growing right within and at the edge of an existing colony on a
fairly steep slope. It may be infertile. Speculation is that the plant could easily be well over 1,000 years old.
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- A chat with Rudy
- On November 17, 2008, I was privileged to have had a phone conversation with Rudy Drobnick (who has been with the Division of Wildlife Resources, State of Utah,
now for 51 years). He indicated that on this same Saturday past, he and "Chuck" (U of U emeritus geography/biology professor Dr. Leroy H. Wullstein) had been on the west side of the Oquirrhs looking at the most significant
hybrid oak find yet: a group of some 12 or so hybrid oak plants. Usually a single plant/clump is found.
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- In all he thinks there may be about 55 plants (43 of those representing plants he has previously found north of where Q. turbinella now grows in southern Utah)
with the northernmost occurrence located east of Ogden, Utah.
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- He indicated that a perfect grad student project, and the highest priority
task, would be to go out and GPS each and every occurrence.
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- When asked about their fertility, he said that most hybrids are fertile but that birds and
squirrels usually take away the acorns before they ever have a chance to hit the ground; September is a good time to re-visit plants and check for acorns.
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- He also mentioned that Chuck saved plants from being destroyed at This is the Place Heritage Park, and that they are trying to save one
right now on Traverse Mtn. on the new Alpine road west of Highland that is on private property in northern Utah County, which is immediately south of
Salt Lake County. Occasional/rare hybrids have been found elsewhere in Utah County such as in Springville.
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- Hybrids in George's Hollow
- On November 20, 2008, Bill Gray invited me to tag along with him and the enthusiastic Dr. Wullstein ("Chuck") to see the the hybrids at George's Hollow (south of Red Butte Garden). Somehow we survived the military training
exercises and blustery conditions. This is another one of the original locations found by Rudy in the late 1950's and Chuck
believes that the colony is about the same size then as now. Growing almost to the ridgeline at about 5,650 feet on a steep slope, these plants are facing
to the south/southwest unlike the Dry Creek occurrence. The plants were overall "less green" than the Dry Creek plant but still had many
greenish leaves. These plants seem to be more prickly and in fact one of the clones is thought to be a back-cross to
now long gone Q. turbinella.
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- Bill Gray inspects an oak hybrid at George's Hollow (11/20/08)
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- Hybrid oak leaves at George's Hollow (11/20/08)
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- Bill and Chuck look at the back-cross (11/20/08)
- The hybrid is in the foregound.
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- Salt Lake valley from George's Hollow hybrid's perspective (11/20/08)
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- Leaving hybrid oak habitat (11/20/08)
- Hybrid habitat is at center to upper left.
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- Gambel's oak frames downtown Salt Lake City and the northern Salt Lake valley as we return to our vehicles (11/20/08)
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- Hybrids saved at This is the Place Heritage Park
- After visiting the George's Hollow plants, we stopped at the This is the Place Heritage Park (just south of the University of Utah) occurrence relatively recently
discovered by Chuck (see July 2007 link to the Associated Press article below as well as Warchol, 2007). Commercial development proposals could have destroyed these plants, but thanks to Chuck's advocacy and intervention by Larry Miller,
the plants were saved. Now there is a well-maintained, low impact trail though the hybrid oaks which have become an important part of the park's interpretive activities
(and perhaps have helped to change or least expand the focus of the park somewhat).
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- Signage at This is the Place Heritage Park (11/20/08)
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- The plants growing here at about 4,960 feet are in marked contrast to those at Dry Creek and George's Hollow. Here the terrain is flat and the
plants are growing intertwined with Gambel's. They had already lost all of their leaves and one plant could not be
distinguished from another. Based on fallen leaves, Chuck showed us how the lobes of these leaves were pointed (rather than having the characteristic
rounded lobes of Gambel's). But their leaves are much more "Gambel-ish" and it is apparent that these plants are
closer to Gambel's than to Turbinella. Their identities as hybrids were however confirmed by oak expert Dr. John Tucker prior to his
recent death on July 5, 2008. John was a professor emeritus of botany at the University of California. The herbarium's name there was changed
to the J.M. Tucker Herbarium upon John's retirement in 1986.
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- Oak grove at This is the Place Heritage Park (11/20/08)
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- Chuck at This is the Place Heritage Park near hybrid oak grove (11/20/08)
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- The future of these hybrids in northern Utah
- There is a concern that ongoing University of Utah developments and expansion could inadvertently lead to the destruction of one of these
ancient, living fossil gems. A hybrid oak formerly known from north of the base of Big Cottonwood Canyon is already now gone. Hybrid oak habitat on the Traverse Mountains
has been significantly altered. The trees cannot be simply moved or transplanted, and other than through cloning (via its underground stems),
they may have no way to propagate themselves and may now be in decline. Their occurrences need to be treated
as rare and unique elements of our natural world that need to be preserved not only for their beauty but also as a critical resource: they may help us to
answer questions about the past, and ultimately our future.
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- References, resources and more information:
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Scientific articles
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- Cottam W, Tucker J, Drobnick R. 1959. Some clues to Great Basin postpluvial climates provided by oak distributions. Ecology 40(3): 361-377. doi:10.2307/1929752
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- It is indicated here that many of the naturally occurring hybrids were thought to be infertile.
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- Drobnick. R. 1958. The ecology of a relic hybrid oak in the Great Basin area of Utah. Unpublished thesis. Salt Lake City, Utah: University of Utah. 96 pp.
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- Neilson RP, Wullstein LH. 1983. Biogeography of two southwest American oaks in relation to atmospheric dynamics. J. Biogeog 10:275-97.
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- Neilson RP, Wullstein LH. 1986. Microhabitat affinities of Gambel oak seedlings. Great Basin Nat. 46(2): 294-298.
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- Ehleringer JR, Phillips SL. 1996. Ecophysiological factors contributing to the distributions of several Quercus species in the
intermountain west. Ann. For. Sci. 53:291-302.
Available from: https://www.afs-journal.org/articles/forest/pdf/1996/02/AFS_0003-4312_1996_53_2-3_ART0012.pdf.
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- Grayson DK. 2000. Mammalian responses to Middle Holocene climatic change
in the Great Basin of the western United States. Journal of Biogeography 27(1): 181-192. Published Online Dec. 24, 2001. Available from:
https://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119184541/abstract.
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- Tucker JM, Cottam WP, Drobnick R. 1961. Studies in the Quercus undulata Complex. II. The contribution of Quercus turbinella.
Amer. Jour. Bot. 48(4): 329-339.
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- Tucker JM, Bogert BB. 1973. Analysis of a progeny test of a hybrid oak, Quercus gambelii x Q. turbinella. Madroņo, 22(1):1-9. Available at: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41426015
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- Tucker JM. 1990. Hybridization in California oaks. Fremontia 18:1319. (see pages 6 thru 8)
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Floras and plant guides
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- Arnow L,Albee B, Wyckoff A. 1980. Flora of the Central Wasatch Front, Utah. Salt Lake City, UT: University of Utah. 663 pp.
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- This excellent local flora of Salt Lake and Davis counties has been the guide in understanding local native plants for University of Utah students (who now use a newer version that has not yet been officially re-released) and the rest of us
for some three decades. It is therefore surprising that no mention of our local hybrid oaks is made (specifically in the discussion of Q. gambelii on p. 316)., and in a book that is dedicated to Walter Cottam.
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- Cottam's work with hybrid oaks is legendary. Further, specimens at the Garrett Herbarium on the University of Utah campus (where Arnow was the curator and Albee the assistant curator) formed the basis
of this flora (p. vii). Drobnick specimens of the hybrid oak must certainly reside at the herbarium.
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- Cronquist A, Holmgren AN, Holmgren NH, Reveal JL. 1972. Intermountain flora. Vol. 1. New York, NY: Hafner Publishing Company, Inc., published for the New York Botanical Garden. 270 pp.
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- In the plant geography chapter by Noel Holmgren, it is noted that Gambel's oak ". . . is absent from the northern half of the Wasatch Range."
And, that ". . . except for an isolated population in the Bear River Range . . . east of Logan, barely extends north across the southern borders of Cache cache . . . at this
latitude the Gambel oak is reproducing vegetatively only." (p. 141). The evolution of floras chapter by Tidwell, Rushforth and Simper provides historical information but does
not discuss the hybrid oaks and possible implications.
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- Johnson CM. 1970. Common Native Trees of Utah. Logan, UT: Utah State University. 109 pp.
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- Discusses both Q. gambelii (p. 64) and, briefly, Q. turbinella (p. 67) along with other native oaks.
Makes no reference to the hybrid oaks. Maps are now outdated but still a helpful reference.
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- Nelson RA. 1976. Plants of Zion National Park. Springdale, UT: Zion Natural History Association. 333 pp.
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- Smith FJ. Illustrations by Lee H. Rentz. 1980. Plants of the Virgin Mountains. U.S. Dept of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management, Arizona Strip District. 51 pp.
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- Welsh SL, Atwood ND, Goodrich S, Higgins LC [eds]. 2008. A Utah Flora (4th ed., revised). Provo, UT: Brigham Young University. 1019 pp.
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- In this and the prior 2003 edition (which overall are excellent works of inestimable value), Welsh indicates that " . . . the presumed hybrids appear to
persist for long periods of time following initial successful cross-pollination through long-distance dispersal of pollen carried northward and dumped along the windward side
of mountain ranges during vernal cyclonic disturbances, whose winds sweep northward each springtime" (p. 367).
Cottam (1959, p. 365) carefully considered but discarded this explanation as highly improbable. Plants of different species in highly different areas would have to be
flowering at the same time (something that typically does not happen even for plants of the same species that occur at different locations in the state
and in this case the plants are as much as 250 miles away) and would require strong, sustained, directional winds at just the right time.
Further, the pollen would not likely stand even a remote chance of remaining viable after such a journey.
Seemingly if the long-distance dispersal hypothesis were true, we should be finding youthful hybrids spread over a large area (and this so far has not been the case). Welsh does not mention
Cottam nor competing hypotheses. See also Ehleringer (1996).
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- With respect to Quercus gambelii var. gambelii (the common oak of our area and synonymous to the reference to Gambel's oak in this article), Welsh indicates in reference to acorn size that
"Those along the Wasatch Front in Utah tend to not exceed 15 mm in length . . . " (p. 366). Acorn size is however no doubt correlated to plant height and moisture availability. In a random collection of acorns
taken on November 22, 2008 from oaks growing on north facing slopes in the area of Dimple Dell Regional Park below 700 East in Salt Lake County at an elevation of just under 4500 feet, almost all of the 34 potentially viable acorns
in the sample exceeded 15 mm (the average length was 17.3 mm, and the average width or thickness was 10.4 mm; several acorns were 22 mm long and 12+ mm wide).
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Other publications
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- Associated Press. 2007 Jul 3. Ancient hybrid scrub oak is ancient tree. Salt Lake Tribune. (see also the 2007 Warchol reference below)
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- Relates to the This is the Place Heritage Park trees found by Dr. Leroy Wullstein. While this article indicates that the trees were here at a time when the climate was warmer and "wetter,"
Cottam (1959) thought that climate was drier. "Wetter" would be appropriate in reference to the concepts later suggested by Neilson and Wullstein (1983 and 1986) and Ehleringer and Miller (1996) in the sense that summer monsoons existed then and not now. It is Gambel's
oak that requires a wetter environment and which cannot establish itself without sufficient water even though it ofen grows on dry hillsides. See Neilson (1983 and 1986).
North of Brigham City, conditions become drier which likely is why Gambel's is not found north of there.
Similarly, it has yet to be found on the Stansbury Mountains nor to the west of there. Nor, farther to the south, has it been found west
of a disjunct population in the Sheeprock Mountains. Also note that the age of the plants is based on speculation and they could in fact be
much younger. See Ehleringer (1996).
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- Hoover RL, Wills DL [eds]. 1987. Managing forested lands for wildlife. Colorado Division of Wildlife.
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- An excerpt made available by the Colorado State University Cooperative Extension is available on-line at
https://www.landhelp.info/documents/MFL_2_063-065_Ecosystem_Gambel_Oak.pdf?PHPSESSID=fc71a230b75d15f43ebee6e12bc8acdd
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- Maffly B. 2008 Apr 23. Tremendous Legacy. Salt Lake Tribune.
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- Orndorff RL, Wieder RW, Futey DG. 2006. Geology underfoot in southern Utah. Missoula, MT: Mountain Press Publishing Company. 286 pp.
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- Martz M. 1999. Why Hurry Through Heaven? A Biography - Memoir of Dr. Walter P. Cottam. Salt Lake City: Red Butte Garden & Arboretum, University of Utah. 253 pp.
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- See for example chapter 9, "The Oak Project." This book can be purchased at the Red Butte Garden gift shop.
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- Warchol G. 2007 Jul 2. Ancient oak serves as impartial witness to Utah's climate history. Salt Lake Tribune. Available from: https://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/Utah/ci_6279756
(local link to this article)
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Web resources
- In 2008, hybrids were found at a slightly higher elevation (7,000 ft.) than where they were previously thought to occur (the upper limit was previously thought to be 6700 feet, and normally in the 4800 to 5700 foot range). Additional information and other
background is on Alex Obbard's blog at:
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- https://watchingtheworldwakeup.blogspot.com/2008/09/repost-relic-hybrid-oaks-part-1.html
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- Forest Service Fire effects information system (FEIS) database:
Quercus gambelii
Quercus turbinella
See also comments under Gambel Oak Care below
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- Quercus gambelii in Flora of North America
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- Utah State University Range Plants (Gambel's oak)
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- Gambel Oak Care
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- Note: Avoid cutting or disturbing tree roots and avoid soil compaction and digging around oak stands to the extent possible in landscape situations.
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- Note also that the fact that the species is fire-adapted and that it tends to grow back quickly even often after the top portion of the plant is
burned means that this is a plant that you WANT to be growing on adjacent hillsides and open areas that have a fire exposure. Fires are often followed by mudslides and worse. Gambel's oak roots
helps to stabilize the soil and continues to do so potentially even after a fire.
The reference to the possible negative aspect of using Gambel's oak in residential landscapes with respect to fire hazard is perhaps greatly misunderstood. ANY plant that is dense and that
is planted right next to a residence is a potential fire threat. Removing Gambel's oak from a steep slope is NOT generally a good idea. No native or other vegetation is fire resistant, but
generally speaking native plants are the very BEST plants to have at your side in foothill and other situations where homes/buildings are adjacent to natural surroundings, since they typically retain moisture longer.
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- Note also the reference The Community Protection Zone: Defending Houses and Communities
from the Threat of Forest Fire by Brian Nowicki of the Center for Biological Diversity (August 2002, 8 pp.) and these excerpts:
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- "It is important to note that creation of community protection zone
does not require the removal of all trees within the area." (p. 4)
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- "The evidence suggests that wildland fuel reduction for reducing home
losses may be inefficient and ineffective. Inefficient because
wildland fuel reduction for several hundred meters or more around
homes is greater than necessary for reducing ignitions from flames.
Ineffective because it does not sufficiently reduce firebrand
ignitions." (p. 5).
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- From the conclusion:
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- "A focused treatment of the wildland-urban interface can provide
houses and communities with real and effective protection from the
threat of forest fire. Treatment of the home ignition zone - the house
itself and the surrounding area up to 60 meters from the
house - provides the house direct protection to from the various
ignition sources of a forest fire. The treatment of the homesite
alone can effectively protect the house from the threat of forest
fire, regardless of what other treatments are implemented in the WUI.
Creation of a community protection zone can provide an additional
safety zone where firefighters can safely defend flammable features
of a community other than the buildings alone. This community
protection zone does not require the removal of all trees, and
entails treatment for less than 500 meters from the house." (p. 6 and 7)
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- Gambel's oak with Mt. Olympus in background (11/20/08 Olympus Hills Park)
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- All pictures by Tony Frates
Copyright 2008-2021 Utah Native Plant Society and Tony Frates
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- The direct link for this page is https://www.unps.org/hybridoak/hybridoak.html
- First published on the UNPS web site November 17, 2008, updated Nov. 20 thru 26, 2008, with occasional additions since then thru Aug. 2021
CSE name-year style citation for this article:
Frates AJ. 2008-2021 [cited {access date}]. Naturally occurring rare oak hybrids along the Central Wasatch Front provoke thought and respect [Internet]. Salt Lake City, UT: Utah Native Plant Society. Available from: https://www.unps.org/hybridoak/hybridoak.html